Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace FOX News December 11, 2016 11:02am-11:35am PST
the president-elect sat down with us for his first in-depth interview since he started naming his cabinet and setting his agenda for an administration that starts in less than six weeks. we began with breaking news. the explosive story that the cia has determined russia hacked into democratic files not just to destabilize the u.s. election but to push a specific objective. >> according to "the washington post," the cia has concluded that russia intervened in the election to help you win the presidency. your reaction. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's just another excuse. i don't believe it. i don't know why, and i think it's just -- you know, they talked about all sorts of things. every week it's another excuse. we had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the electoral college. i guess the final numbers are now at 306. she's down to a very low number.
no, i don't believe that at all. >> you say you don't know why. do you think the cia is trying to overturn the results of the election, somehow weaken you in office? >> if you look at the story and look at what they said, there's great confusion. nobody really knows. and hacking is very interesting. once they hack, if you don't catch them in the act, you're not going to catch them. they have no idea if it's russia or china or somebody. it could be somebody sitting in a bed some place. they have no idea. >> so why would the cia put out this story that the russians wanted you to win? >> i'm not sure they put it out. i think the democrats are putting it out because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country. frankly, i think they're putting it out. it's ridiculous. we ought to get back to making america great again, which is what we're going to do. and we've already started the process. >> you've said repeatedly you don't believe the intelligence community's analysis that the russians were involved. >> take a look. they're not sure. they're fighting among themselves. they're not sure. >> but the question is, these are the folks you're going to have to rely on to know what's
going on in the world. >> if they make changes at the top, we're going to have different people coming in. because we have our people, they have their people. and i have great respect for them. but if you read the stories, the various stories, they're disputing. they're disputing. and certain groups don't necessarily agree. personally, it could be russia. i don't really think it is. but who knows. i don't know either. they don't know and i don't know. >> i just want to ask you about your skepticism about the intelligence community. you are getting the presidential daily brief only once a week. >> well, i get it when i need it. >> but is there some skepticism? >> first of all, these are very good people giving me the briefings. if something should change from this point, immediately call me. i'm available on one minute's notice. i don't have to be told -- you know, i'm a smart person. i don't have to be told the same thing and the same words every single day for the next eight
years. could be eight years. but eight years. i don't need that. but i do say if something should change, let us know. in the meantime, my generals are great, being briefed. and mike pence is being briefed, who is, by the way, one of my good decisions, he's terrific. and they're being briefed. i'm being briefed also. if they're going to come in and tell me the exact same thing they told me, that doesn't change necessarily. there might be times where it might change. there will be some very fluid situations. i'll be there not every day but more than that. i don't need to be told the same thing every day every morning, same words. sir, nothing has changed. let's go over it again. i don't need that. >> president obama just ordered a full review of russia's involvement, hacking in the election. democrats are now calling for hearings. do you think this is part of an effort to undercut you? >> well, it could be. i think president obama's been terrific. he's been very respectful of the process and everything else. i saw that.
but -- and i want it too. i think it's great. i don't want anyone hacking us. i'm not only talking about countries. i'm talking about anyone, period. but if you're going to do that, i think you should not just say russia, you should say other countries also. and maybe other individuals. >> do you think it's a political effort here? >> i mean, it could be. look, we had many people saying one of the great victories of all time. they're very embarrassed. >> we'll have much more of our exclusive interview with mr. trump a little later. who will he choose for secretary of state, and will he really cut all ties to the trump businesses? but first, we also went on a road trip with the president-elect to the army/navy game, a rivalry dating back to 1890. and along the way, we learned a lot, about the style of our new commander in chief. we pulled out of trump tower in
a full-scale presidential motorcade. streets in midtown manhattan were blocked off, and the crowds watching signaled how they felt about the president-elect. at laguardia, we drove right up to trump force one. it was the first time we could find a president-elect was going to an army/navy game. mr. trump climbed on board the plane, he says, is a step up from air force one. much of his team was there. chief of staff reince priebus and senior adviser steve bannon, national security adviser general mike flynn, and rudy giuliani, who just took himself out of the running for secretary of state. once we leveled off, i asked the president-elect about his new life. army/navy game. in a sense, is this your unofficial debut as commander in chief? >> no, it's just something i've wanted to see. it's beautiful. it's hopefully going to be a good game.
but really just something i want to see. it's the armed forces, the way that i look at it. and i love and respect the armed forces. it's going to be -- i think we're going to have a good time. >> you spent five years at the new york military academy, a boarding school, where you became the captain of cadets. what did you learn there about military discipline? >> well, i learned that i respected it. i respect people in the military. i always have. at least since i've been there. and we had military people there. we had drill sergeants and colonels. and we actually had a general. i always respected those people. i learned at a young age they're terrific. >> there is a lot of curiosity about your lifestyle as president. are you going to live in the white house? are you going to spend most of your time at trump tower? >> i'm going to live in the white house with my family. barron is going to finish up school because he's got just a couple months to go. it's a little hard to take him out of school.
melania will be back and forth for that first couple of months. we'll be staying in the white house. >> you talk about the fact that mrs. trump is going to stay back in new york with barron until he finishes school. are you going to be lonely rattling around in the white house by yourself for a few months? >> no, i'll be working. i'll be working. it's a very special place and it represents so much. there's a lot to do. there's a lot to do. more than i even thought. so many things we can do to make america great again. that's what it's all about. i'll be working. i won't be lonely at all. >> are your daughter ivanka and her husband jared kushner moving to washington? >> we're working that out right now. they're both very talented people. i won't be involved in my business at all, even though i have a legal right to be under the laws as you know, because the president has a certain doctrine that he can do things. but i just don't want to do it. even if i could do it, which i'm allowed to, i wouldn't want to.
i want to devote my time. >> what about them? are they moving? >> theirs is a little bit different. i think we'll have to see how the laws read. i would love to be able to have them involved. if you look at ivanka, she's so strong, as you know, to the women's issue and childcare, nobody can do better than her. i just have to see whether or not we can do that. she would like to do that. i'd love to have jared helping us on deals with other nations and see if we can do peace in the middle east and other things. he's very talented. he's a very talented guy. we're looking at that from a legal standpoint right now. >> then it was on to the stadium for the game. first, a meeting with a group of army cadets and navy midshipmen. >> who's going to win? who's going to win? [ inaudible speaking ]
>> one picture, one picture. [ cheers and applause ] >> and when he appeared in public to greet the crowd from a balcony, he received a big ovation. later, we asked the president-elect about attending a game that now has special resonance for him. so what do you think? >> i think it's fantastic. these are incredible people. you see the enthusiasm, the spirit. incredible. >> you're going to be the commander in chief in six weeks. >> yeah. >> you're going to be in charge
of these young men and women. thoughts about that? >> big responsibility. we have to make the right decisions. you know, it really is -- it's a daunting responsibility. and we'll do the job. >> and if you missed it, army beat navy 21-17, its first victory over the midshipmen in 15 years. coming up, much more of our exclusive interview with donald trump. we ask him to clear up exactly where he stands on climate change and about that big cabinet pick he still has to make for secretary of state. as "fox news sunday" continues its special coverage of the trump way. ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they don't taste chalky and work fast. mmmm. incredible. can i try? she doesn't have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. family road trip! fun! check engine. not fun!
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and we're back now with our exclusive interview with donald trump. the campaign is over, but the president-elect continues to break the rules when it comes to building his administration and setting his agenda. and that's where we began this part of the conversation. we're calling this program "the trump way" because i got to tell you, in almost 40 years of covering presidential transitions, i've never seen anything like this. you're setting markers for foreign countries. you're telling corporations and unions what to do. and you're not even in office yet. what can we expect when you're actually the president? >> my attitude, i want to make good deals for this country. i don't need a $4.2 billion airplane to fly around in, okay. i don't need that. especially when it's totally out of control. you know, they've lost control of it. i let them know that i don't want this.
i just see things that's -- if you look at the f-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollar, and it's out of control. and the people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies. they make a deal like that and then a year later, two years later, three years later you see them working for these companies that made the deal. i'm going to -- you know, lobbyists i'm doing. this is bigger than the lobbyists. when people order from these massive companies, these massive deals, i don't want the people that are making these horrible -- and they're horrible degrees, the cost overruns, i don't want them going to work for the companies after the deals are made. they should have a lifetime restriction. >> in the last few days, you have named cabinet heads, department agency people at epa, at labor, at health and human services, education, who are diametrically opposed to what those agencies have been doing
for the last eight years. fair to say you're going to take a wrecking ball to the obama legacy? >> no, no. no, i don't want to do that at all. i just want what's right. epa, you can't get things approved. people are waiting in line for 15 years before they get rejected, okay. that's why people don't want to invest in this country. you look at what's going on -- and you can look at a jobs report, but take a look at the real jobs report, which are the millions of people that gave up looking for work, and they're not considered in that number that's less than 5%. we have jobs that are in the pipeline, and i deal with all the executives, the big ones and small ones. i have really gotten to know this country. when you have to wait 10 and 15 years for an approval and then you don't even get the approval, it's no good. so we're going to clean it up. we're going to speed it up. by the way, if somebody is not doing the right thing, we're not
going to approve. >> let's talk about the environment because in the last week, you met with al gore and you met with leo dicaprio, famous environmentalist. >> and they were good meetings. >> on the other hand, you appointed oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt to be head of the epa. he's been suing epa. >> sure. >> and at one point in the campaign, you said it's a hoax. >> i think it's a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. in the meantime, china is eating our lunch because they don't partake in all of the rules and regulations that we do. >> on the other hand, you told "the new york times" you're open minded about it. >> i am open minded. >> so where are you on the environment? >> i'm still open minded. nobody really knows. look, i'm somebody that gets it. and nobody really knows. it's not something that's so hard and fast. i do know this. other countries are eating our lunch. if you look at what china is doing, if you look at what -- i could name country after country. you look at what's happening in mexico where our plants are
being built. they don't wait ten years to get an approval to build a plant. okay? they build it like the following day or the following week. we can't let all of these permits that take forever to get -- stop our jobs. i won because of the fact that people that are great, great american people have been forgotten. i call them the forgotten man and the forgotten woman. they've been forgotten. and you, in all fairness, and all of the folks in your world, you forgot about these people. you're not they're not going to forget going to forget about them in four years. they're already trying to figure out what happened. but i understood it because i understand our country. >> let me ask you a couple specific questions. will you still pull out of the paris climate agreement, which has been signed by more than 100 countries to reduce carbon emissions? will you restart the dakota
access pipeline, which the army just stopped? >> okay. let me not answer the dakota because perhaps that'll be solved by the time i get there so i don't have to create enemies on one side or the other. i will tell you when i get to office, if it's not solved, i'll have it solved very quickly. >> meaning you're going to start it? >> i'm not saying anything. i just say something will happen, and it'll be quick. i think it's very unfair. so it'll start one way or the other. >> and paris? >> a decision pretty quickly. also, the keystone pipeline. you're going to have a decision fairly quickly. and you'll see that. paris i'm studying. i do say this, i don't want that agreement to put us at a competitive disadvantage with other countries. as you know, there are different times and different time limits on that agreement. i don't want that to give china or other countries signing agreements an advantage over us. >> you have already named three retired generals for top positions. any concern about having too many military men at the top of your administration?
>> no. well, president obama named three generals also. you know, these are tremendous people. in certain cases, they transitioned into civilian life. but i like generals. i think generals are terrific. you know, they go through schools and sort of end up at the top of the pyramid. it's like a test. they passed the test of life. that's how they got to be a general and other people didn't. so i sort of like generals. i like the three that i have very, very much. >> have you settled on a secretary of state? >> i'm getting very close. getting very, very close. >> do you know who it's going to be? >> i have someone in mind that i think will be really fabulous. i think we're going to have one of the great cabinets ever put together. we're getting that kind of review. >> let me ask you about rex tillerson, head of exxonmobil. why does a business executive make sense as the chief diplomat? >> in his case, he's much more than a business executive. he's a world class player.
he's in charge of, i guess, the largest company in the world. he's in charge of an oil company that's pretty much double the size of his next nearest competitor. it's been a company that's been unbelievably managed. and to me, a great advantage is he knows many of the players. and he knows them well. he does massive deals in russia. he does massive deals for the company, not for himself. >> he's the secretary of state -- >> no, no, but i have tremendous respect for him. he's a world class player. >> i'm trying to get you to say -- >> i know you are. you're doing very well. but i have others also that i think -- i mean, bob corker is a fantastic guy. mitt romney i've really gotten to know him, and i get along with him really well. but these are -- you know, these are all very different types of people. but when you ask me about rex, he's a world-class player. there's no question about it. >> just after our interview, there were media reports that mr. trump has decided to name tillerson to be secretary of
state. he denied he's made a final decision. and during our ride on trump force one, he was still asking his advisers who they think he should nominate, but don't bet against rex tillerson. coming up, we ask mr. trump about his controversial call with the president of taiwan. was he sending china a message? and what will become of his business once he's sworn in? as "fox news sunday's" "the trump way" continues.
relationship between china and the u.s. when he spoke with the leader of taiwan, breaking with decades of u.s. diplomacy. now he's doubling down on that decision. back to our exclusive interview with the president-elect. you recently took a call from the president of taiwan, and on the sunday shows, including ours, some of your top aides said, oh, it was just a congratulatory call. the next day, some of your top aides said, no, in fact, you had been thinking about this for weeks in advance to send a message. so which is it? >> it's all wrong. not weeks. i took a call. i heard the call was coming probably an hour or two before. i fully understand the one-china policy. i don't know why we have to be bound by a one-china policy unless we make a deal with china having to do with other things, including trade. i mean, look, we're being hurt very badly by china with devaluation, with taxing us at the borders when we don't tax them, with building a massive
fortress in the middle of the south china sea, which they shouldn't be doing. frankly, they're not helping us at all with north korea. you have north korea, nuclear weapons, and china could solve that problem. they're not helping us at all. i don't want china dictating to me. this was a call put into me. i didn't make the call. it was a call, very short call, saying congratulations, sir, on the victory. it was a very nice call. short. and why should some other nation be able to say, i can't take a call? i think it would have been very disrespectful, to be honest with you, not taking it. >> you recently intervened with carrier to save about a thousand jobs from moving to mexico. you've said at one of your rallies you're asking for a list of ten companies that are thinking about calling them as well. should the president of the united states be calling companies? i mean, how would you have felt if barack obama gets on the phone and says, hey, donald, here's how i want you to do business.
>> i would have been honored. >> honored? >> i don't have to do it myself. i have great people. we have top, top smart people. it's so easy to do. and we're going to have to impose a major tax on companies that leave, build their product, and think they're going to sell it right to our border. >> what about the free market, sir? >> that's not free market when they go out and move and sell back into our country. >> but that's the free market. they've made a decision -- >> no, that's the dumb market, okay. that's the dumb market. i'm a big free trader. but it has to be fair. so what's happened is we have lost, over a period of years, short years, 70,000 factories in this country. chris, 70,000. i always say to people, i think it's a typo. how could it be so many? 70,000 factories. we're being stripped of our workers. we're being -- i mean, we're being stripped of our jobs, our
good jobs are really good down, and we've got to stop it. the only way you're going to stop it, the nice way is we're reducing taxes substantially for companies. so they're not going to have to leave because of taxes. we're reducing regulations. everyone loves it. when a company wants to move to mexico or another country and they want to build a nice, beautiful factory and they want to sell their product through our border, no tax, and the people that all got fired, so we end up with unemployment and debt, and they end up with jobs and factories and all of the other things, not going to happen that way. the way you stop it is by imposing a tax. i've come up with a number of 35%. there is no tax if you don't leave. there is no tax at all. people are saying they don't
understand, really, what i'm doing. i read "the wall street journal" the other day. honestly, their editorial board doesn't get it. i don't think they understand business. i don't think "the wall street journal" editorial board -- and i know some of them. they're really nice. i don't think they understand business. they don't understand what i'm saying. there's a 35% tax, but there is no tax if you don't move. but if you move your plant or factory and you want to sell back into our country, you fire all your people, there are going to be consequences for that. there are going to be consequences. they're not going to move. they're not going to leave. they're going to stay here. >> you're keeping your stake in "celebrity apprentice," according to "the new york times." you're going to shift operations, but you're going to keep your stake in your real estate business. >> i'm not going to have anything to do with the management. >> isn't that a huge conflict of interest, sir? >> when i ran, everybody knew
that i was a very big owner of real estate, all over the world. i'm not going to have anything to do with the management of the company. that's not like going out and selling a stock. that takes a long time. it takes -- i'm going to have nothing to do with it. i'll be honest with you, i don't care about it anymore. i'm so focused on doing a great job as president. i don't care if it goes up or down a little bit. my executives will run it with my children. it's a big company. it's a great company. but i'm going to have nothing to do with management. >> but you hammered hillary clinton over the clinton foundation and pay >> well, that's different because she's taking in massive amounts of money from foreign countries and other things. >> and pay to play. >> it is impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. it is now abundantly clear that's the clintons set up a business to profit from public office. >> this is different. >> wait a minute.
you're going to be making a massive amount of money. foreign countries are already booking events at the trump hotel in d.c. you've got business operations, deals with foreign countries. >> chris, this is all -- >> isn't this on steroids, foreign interests trying to curry favor with the president of the united states. >> if i were going to do new deals right now, i am turning down billions of dollars of deals. i will tell you, running for president, the money i spent is peanuts compared to the money i won't make. and that's okay. because this is so important. what i'm doing is so important. this is a calling. this is a movement. not just me. it's millions and millions of people. you got to see it firsthand. i'm not going to be doing deals at all. that would be -- i don't even know if that's a conflict. i have the right to do -- you know under the law i have the
right to do it. i just don't want to do it. i don't want to do deals. because i want to focus on this. but by my not doing this -- i turned down seven deals with one big player, great player, last week because i thought it could be perceived as a conflict of interest. it was probably a billion dollars of deals that i turned down. >> but if your kids do it, isn't it going to be the same thing? >> it's totally different. they're not president. but they're not going to do it either. oh, i see what you're getting at. they're not making deals either for my company. they're not making deals. they're going to run my company. i have a lot of property and great stuff. they're going to run it. hopefully they're going to run it properly. i'm sure they're going to run it properly. but i'm not going to do deals. i think, you know, i think that's going to be good. >> how many times have you spoken to barack obama since you were in the oval office with him? what do you guys talk about? and has he persuaded you on any of his policies? >> so we disagree on things, but we haven't really discussed things we disagree on.
i've spoken to him another time. i'm going to be speaking to him today actually. he has treated me really well. he's made us feel very welcome. >> but on the iran nuclear deal, relations with cuba? >> i don't want to tell you what we discuss, but -- and some of it i've agreed with him. people don't read about the stuff you agree on. but there are things that we disagree on. probably never going to be able to change that. but we do get along well. i'm surprised at how well we get along. i think he might say the same thing. i think you're seeing that from him. >> mr. president-elect, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. and joining me now to discuss the interview with the president-elect is our sunday group. syndicated columnist george will.